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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2008.11.22 09:23:00 -
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Minmatar are the worst BBs to train for fleet - I would highly recommend you train Amarr or stick with the Rokh which is a very good fleet sniper. As an longtime Tempest pilot, while at closer fleet engadgments (100 ish) the Tempy is great - at 170 its dps/alpha are both pathetic (due to falloff - quality of hit math). It also suffers from a very small number of rounds (11 Tremor) and reloading does terribly in lag. Overall, especially with wepon grouping, instant crystal changing, massive alpha and spectacular dps from Apocs as well as the RR Geddon and the lowsec camper Abaddon means if you are looking for a BB race - Amarr is really where its at and is set to last.
The fact that the Revelation and Archon are fantastic capitals while the Nag and Niddy are both pretty terrible mans everything above CS is pretty much Amarr Amarr Amarr. . .
So unless its aesthetic or role-playing related, I would pic the correct choise. And yes, you may thank me later. ----
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2008.11.22 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Train Amarr if you want to be the FOTM king, aka easy mode. Train Caldari if you like medium mode or train Minmatar or Gallente of you want to play EVE in hard mode. And hard mode is where the fun is.
FOTM does not make it easy mode. You should always train for what is really useful. In fleet fights a tach apoc has more optimal, for EHP, more DPS and a much faster locktime. I know you are a huge fan of the tempest - the fact is, Artillery are broken - the high alpha leads to overdamage on targets - and the low clip and working in falloff is detrimental to the overall alpha and damage. The whole 'easy mode/hardmode' thing is skewed. Amarr were hardmode untill a few months ago while minmatar (spacifically the vega) were seen as easy-mode. The origional distinction comes from missles being degustingly overpowered and easy to use (torps 4 years ago) rather then hard-mode is winning in sub-par ships.
Just because you are skilled enough, or have the proper fleet groupings to make the Tempest work does not take from the fact that you are weaker in a tempest then in an apoc or rokh.
I pray you are not going to start telling people that minmatar capitals are great too. . .because thats where things go into the twilight zone and I'd say you need to join UK or some RP thing. . .
To advise a newer fleet pilot to train the weakest fleet ship in terms of damage, DD survivability and range is a terrible mistake. ----
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:48:00 -
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Well, yah, you have fun in your fleet tempest - and thats good for you. And if Apocs are doing less dps, are not targeting quicker and have more range - then you should be teassing your apoc pilots - because either you are in a good sized fleet where your alpha is not wasted - or - your apoc pilots are fitting undersized guns or something.
Look, I trained minmatar for the tempest. . .and there is a reason you see wr3ck fly them less and less in fleet - because they are sub par. You are clearly still viable in a sub-par ship - good for you. But for a younger player - recommending the weakest ship because you think its the most fun to fly (comeon its bb fleet fights. . .those are not fun 99% of the time.) And that is why I advise training the best ship for the job and a capital race that is very very strong.
I cannot see how you have failed to make this separation between solid advise based on a comprehensive analysis of the 4 fleet ships and a very subjective experience of the ship. Have you been in an apoc recently in a fleet fight? Its quite scarry how good it is. ----
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2008.11.22 22:40:00 -
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Every tempest pilot I know in Wr3ck is either training for an Apoc, or is in support at this point. And we are talking about pilots just as qualified and expereinced as you are with the ship. A single fight in an Apoc is usually enough to convince people.
I will not go into details - but I would be glad to talk about the reasons if you want. Come onto GODs TS. ----
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